Comments on: Not accepting females http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/ life, life in science, miscellaneous thoughts Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:19:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Becca http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-557 Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:15:43 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-557 When people hear I'm 'too sensitive' they either say 1) you need to have a thick skin to do science or 2) responded by referring me to info on the way gender influences communication style...Anyway, the most important lesson of all of it was that *there is a particular communication style that is considered more valued* and *that it is possible to learn it*. As far as your colleague goes, it'd be best if someone could encourage* him to learn more options for offering criticism... but, if he's like most male professors I know, he won't see it as worth his time, and it is (as you point out) very hard to recommend anyone serve as his guinea pig. *encourage is really the right word-he's being a coward himself by being afraid of this When people hear I’m ‘too sensitive’ they either say 1) you need to have a thick skin to do science or 2) responded by referring me to info on the way gender influences communication style…Anyway, the most important lesson of all of it was that *there is a particular communication style that is considered more valued* and *that it is possible to learn it*. As far as your colleague goes, it’d be best if someone could encourage* him to learn more options for offering criticism… but, if he’s like most male professors I know, he won’t see it as worth his time, and it is (as you point out) very hard to recommend anyone serve as his guinea pig.

*encourage is really the right word-he’s being a coward himself by being afraid of this

]]> by: sciencegirl http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-545 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:51:09 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-545 Lovely. And I did stay away from a lab of 30(!) guys just in case there was a reason no women survived there; it's an issue that is tough to investigate in a couple day long visit prior to picking a graduate school to attend. Lovely. And I did stay away from a lab of 30(!) guys just in case there was a reason no women survived there; it’s an issue that is tough to investigate in a couple day long visit prior to picking a graduate school to attend.

]]> by: Silver Fox http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-544 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:25:09 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-544 Did he ever consider that his style of criticism might be over the top? That it might be him?? Did he ever consider that his style of criticism might be over the top? That it might be him??

]]> by: Schlupp http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-543 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:10:31 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-543 Coming from continental Europe, this does so not surprise me. Both in MyCountry and in Germany, I have heard of a number of groups where females are not accepted or strongly warned not to go. Coming from continental Europe, this does so not surprise me. Both in MyCountry and in Germany, I have heard of a number of groups where females are not accepted or strongly warned not to go.

]]> by: drshellie http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-542 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:53:27 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-542 Wow. Awesome link from Lab Lemming. Go take a look. Wow. Awesome link from Lab Lemming. Go take a look.

]]> by: Lab Lemming http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-541 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:18:14 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-541 It is sad to hear about this sort of thing on Earth, but at least there is <a href="http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001344/" rel="nofollow">another planet</a> where female engineers can work. It is sad to hear about this sort of thing on Earth, but at least there is another planet where female engineers can work.

]]> by: ScienceWoman http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-540 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:50:43 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-540 Yikes. To just write off 50% of the population based on a single negative experience is inexcusable. But at the same time, when I was a prospective student, I was concerned about labs where there were no other women, and I always made sure to ask around. In the end I chose a lab where the grad students were all male when I entered, but they were all female when I left, and I think my (male) advisor actually works better with women. Yikes. To just write off 50% of the population based on a single negative experience is inexcusable. But at the same time, when I was a prospective student, I was concerned about labs where there were no other women, and I always made sure to ask around. In the end I chose a lab where the grad students were all male when I entered, but they were all female when I left, and I think my (male) advisor actually works better with women.

]]> by: Propter Doc http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-539 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:36:14 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-539 While I don't think his reasoning holds (I work with many very fragile men who can't take criticism), I think I have to acknowledge that at least he passed the CV on to you. Many in this position would just reject it so perhaps he sees some potential in this girl to warrent passing her along. I'm not excusing his attitude. While I don’t think his reasoning holds (I work with many very fragile men who can’t take criticism), I think I have to acknowledge that at least he passed the CV on to you. Many in this position would just reject it so perhaps he sees some potential in this girl to warrent passing her along. I’m not excusing his attitude.

]]> by: hypoglycemiagirl http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-538 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:00:49 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2008/02/29/not-accepting-females/#comment-538 I get so tired of this. Yet another example of which sex that need to confirm to the rules of the other. I get so tired of this. Yet another example of which sex that need to confirm to the rules of the other.

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