Comments on: And now, this creative suggestion… http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/ life, life in science, miscellaneous thoughts Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:39:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: amIawomanscientist http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-213 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:07:19 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-213 Oh my gosh, I saw this in Science and just rolled my eyes... yeah, it's hard enough to find a partner when you're working >50 hour weeks... when I do manage to get a date I'm going to start it off comparing salaries.... Oh my gosh, I saw this in Science and just rolled my eyes… yeah, it’s hard enough to find a partner when you’re working >50 hour weeks… when I do manage to get a date I’m going to start it off comparing salaries….

]]> by: Furchild http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-199 Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:04:56 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-199 I was happy they decided to include this 'response' to the article. It demonstrates exactly what kind of positions women in academia face. The G.G. Roberts of the world feel that the best way to address the gender biases in childcare responsibilities and payscales is to tell women to just accept them and reinforce the biases by 'leaving the career path for the homefront' or instead choose to 'commit to the long hours it takes to make it to the top' by not having children. I personally prefer to ask the question, "Why can't I do both and be paid the same as the man in the same position, with fewer responsibilities but with less than or equivalent to the honors, publications, and abilities?" I also prefer to ask the question, "Why am I expected to choose between reproducing biologically and having a career?" Men are not expected to make this choice and I flat out tired of being asked to make it myself. I was happy they decided to include this ‘response’ to the article. It demonstrates exactly what kind of positions women in academia face. The G.G. Roberts of the world feel that the best way to address the gender biases in childcare responsibilities and payscales is to tell women to just accept them and reinforce the biases by ‘leaving the career path for the homefront’ or instead choose to ‘commit to the long hours it takes to make it to the top’ by not having children. I personally prefer to ask the question, “Why can’t I do both and be paid the same as the man in the same position, with fewer responsibilities but with less than or equivalent to the honors, publications, and abilities?” I also prefer to ask the question, “Why am I expected to choose between reproducing biologically and having a career?” Men are not expected to make this choice and I flat out tired of being asked to make it myself.

]]> by: Lab Lemming http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-198 Mon, 13 Nov 2006 04:43:41 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-198 Zuska says: "If a woman chooses to get pregnant..." You want to give her a choice? What kinda godless, pinko, blue state terrorist are you? Zuska says:
“If a woman chooses to get pregnant…”

You want to give her a choice? What kinda godless, pinko, blue state terrorist are you?

]]> by: Zuska http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-196 Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:08:48 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-196 Here's a piece of honest advice for women scientists: don't marry George Gordon Roberts. Here’s a piece of honest advice for women scientists: don’t marry George Gordon Roberts.

]]> by: Zuska http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-195 Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:07:08 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-195 George Gordon Roberts is a fricking moron whose shoes ought to be liberally puked upon. I think women ought to marry men who make buttloads of money so that they can afford top-notch child care whenever they need it. That's if they can't arrange to be independently wealthy. Or, hey, maybe we could just come up with a SOCIETAL solution to the whole childcare issue. You know, like assuming that we as a society are responsible for raising the next generation and we should have high quality day care available for everyone so that everyone can have kids and do their jobs. Oh crap, what the hell am I thinking. Do I want us to be like communist Russia? Do I want the terrorists to win? Why do I hate America so much? If a woman chooses to get pregnant that's her own problem, right? God bless America. George Gordon Roberts is a fricking moron whose shoes ought to be liberally puked upon. I think women ought to marry men who make buttloads of money so that they can afford top-notch child care whenever they need it. That’s if they can’t arrange to be independently wealthy.

Or, hey, maybe we could just come up with a SOCIETAL solution to the whole childcare issue. You know, like assuming that we as a society are responsible for raising the next generation and we should have high quality day care available for everyone so that everyone can have kids and do their jobs.

Oh crap, what the hell am I thinking. Do I want us to be like communist Russia? Do I want the terrorists to win? Why do I hate America so much? If a woman chooses to get pregnant that’s her own problem, right? God bless America.

]]> by: sciencewoman http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-194 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:52:30 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-194 Where do these people come from?! I'm married to man who makes less than I do as a post-doc and let me tell you that it doesn't make me any more likely to succeed in academia. If anything, it makes me more likely to bail out and go into (better paying) industry so that we can survive financially. Where do these people come from?! I’m married to man who makes less than I do as a post-doc and let me tell you that it doesn’t make me any more likely to succeed in academia. If anything, it makes me more likely to bail out and go into (better paying) industry so that we can survive financially.

]]> by: FemaleScienceProfessor http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-193 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:48:06 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-193 This is not particularly mature, but I think I would enjoy the prospect of George Roberts being interviewed by an all-female search committee. My department has all-male search committees, so why not? This is not particularly mature, but I think I would enjoy the prospect of George Roberts being interviewed by an all-female search committee. My department has all-male search committees, so why not?

]]> by: Anonymous http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-192 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:57:37 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-192 Um, don't you mean to challenge George to marry a woman who makes *more* than he does? Um, don’t you mean to challenge George to marry a woman who makes *more* than he does?

]]> by: Bill http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-191 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:32:37 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-191 <i>The author received his Ph.D. in 2005. </i> I wonder how. Unless, of course, he is more careful about evidence and analysis at the bench than when he is dashing off "look at meeee, I'm so brave" letters. The author received his Ph.D. in 2005.

I wonder how. Unless, of course, he is more careful about evidence and analysis at the bench than when he is dashing off “look at meeee, I’m so brave” letters.

]]> by: Lab Lemming http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-190 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:47:47 +0000 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/11/02/and-now-this-creative-suggestion/#comment-190 My wife, a non-scientist, makes more $$ than I do. Perhaps the real lesson is that scientists should be paid at rates greater or equal to professional degree-holders in fields with similar educational requirements. My wife, a non-scientist, makes more $$ than I do.

Perhaps the real lesson is that scientists should be paid at rates greater or equal to professional degree-holders in fields with similar educational requirements.

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