http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/ life, life in science, miscellaneous thoughts Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:44:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-60 Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:32:33 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-60 Dr. S, you gotta tell me who this is- e-me at 3bulls at gmail. I am so sick of this crapo. Dr. S, you gotta tell me who this is- e-me at 3bulls at gmail. I am so sick of this crapo.

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-55 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:56:35 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-55 m- thanks for the link, i have posted about this <a href="http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/15/rising-woman-star-turns-down-mit/" rel="nofollow">here.</a> m- thanks for the link, i have posted about this here.

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-54 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:56:42 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-54 Lab Lemming-- yup. And certain departments and certain schools will not give their assistant professors tenure unless they are considered to be "the best person in their field in the world." In which case, defining "your field" so that you are the best becomes oh-so-important a skill...! Lab Lemming– yup. And certain departments and certain schools will not give their assistant professors tenure unless they are considered to be “the best person in their field in the world.” In which case, defining “your field” so that you are the best becomes oh-so-important a skill…!

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-53 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:49:45 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-53 SciMom-- Thanks, I liked your site. But I couldn't comment without a Blogger account. You don't want to allow anonymous comments? SciMom– Thanks, I liked your site. But I couldn’t comment without a Blogger account. You don’t want to allow anonymous comments?

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-51 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:47:29 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-51 We have an associate dean at our university who oversees both the promotion &amp; tenure process AND the women in science program. She keeps careful track of the numbers by gender: how many faculty overall are considered for promotion and how many are granted vs. denied promotion, to make sure that women are not disproportionately denied tenure. As you might guess, this associate dean position did not come out of nowhere. It was created because there were problems. So far, I'd say that it was a success. I hope the woman at your university will assemble some statistics, and possibly also pre-tenure review materials, and fight back. I've known some women who won their cases eventually, though of course not without some damage. We have an associate dean at our university who oversees both the promotion & tenure process AND the women in science program. She keeps careful track of the numbers by gender: how many faculty overall are considered for promotion and how many are granted vs. denied promotion, to make sure that women are not disproportionately denied tenure. As you might guess, this associate dean position did not come out of nowhere. It was created because there were problems. So far, I’d say that it was a success. I hope the woman at your university will assemble some statistics, and possibly also pre-tenure review materials, and fight back. I’ve known some women who won their cases eventually, though of course not without some damage.

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-50 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:04:50 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-50 check this out: MIT star accused by 11 colleagues http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/07/15/mit_star_accused_by_11_colleagues/ check this out:
MIT star accused by 11 colleagues
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/07/15/mit_star_accused_by_11_colleagues/

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-49 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:14:54 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-49 Just finding your blog as well as sicence+professor+women+me blog. I am also blogging on women in science issues. I am an Associate level biomedical researcher who is taking a non-traditional path - i.e. trying to currently survive in a "part-time" position for a few years while my two children are small. I think I have some interesting times ahead of me, trying to get back in full swing, dealing with the "wife of the recruit" status, and basically getting my colleagues to take me seriously. So I read up on women's issues and science as well as other things related to my life, and blog when I can. Check out my blog at doubleloop.blogspot.com if you get a chance. Enjoyed your blogs on women in science. Just finding your blog as well as sicence+professor+women+me blog. I am also blogging on women in science issues. I am an Associate level biomedical researcher who is taking a non-traditional path - i.e. trying to currently survive in a “part-time” position for a few years while my two children are small. I think I have some interesting times ahead of me, trying to get back in full swing, dealing with the “wife of the recruit” status, and basically getting my colleagues to take me seriously. So I read up on women’s issues and science as well as other things related to my life, and blog when I can. Check out my blog at doubleloop.blogspot.com if you get a chance. Enjoyed your blogs on women in science.

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-48 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:37:27 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-48 Some of the really snotty east-coast US universities don't actually give tenure to their own people. I have no idea where you are, so I apologize if I acidentally slag of your school. But Harvard, in particular, is infamous for only giving tenure to professors it poaches from tenured posts at other universities. At least in the field of Geology, this has had the effect of allowing their hot-shot post-docs and junior profs to end up in other places. And teh word on the street for early-career researchers is to have your way with the big H and then dump it before it can do the same to you. As a result, their department is now fairly weak. Meanwhile some schools, in particular the University of Maryland, have assembled fantastic departments just by giving jobs to great scientists who get snubbed by such systems. Some of the really snotty east-coast US universities don’t actually give tenure to their own people. I have no idea where you are, so I apologize if I acidentally slag of your school. But Harvard, in particular, is infamous for only giving tenure to professors it poaches from tenured posts at other universities. At least in the field of Geology, this has had the effect of allowing their hot-shot post-docs and junior profs to end up in other places. And teh word on the street for early-career researchers is to have your way with the big H and then dump it before it can do the same to you. As a result, their department is now fairly weak. Meanwhile some schools, in particular the University of Maryland, have assembled fantastic departments just by giving jobs to great scientists who get snubbed by such systems.

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-47 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:52:55 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-47 jo(e), I don't know what the politics were in this case. But (as trillwing says) I do wonder if she wasn't penalized for her outreach &amp; education efforts. I know a man here who didn't get tenure, and rumor has it that one reason was that he was "too collaborative." Collaborating too much with other groups can be the kiss of death, as you are not seen as a Fully Independent Thinker. Bill, I agree with you completely, but I wonder if you think this is a recent trend to "fill the top spots with paranoid, selfish type-A assholes"? Was it ever different? jo(e), I don’t know what the politics were in this case. But (as trillwing says) I do wonder if she wasn’t penalized for her outreach & education efforts. I know a man here who didn’t get tenure, and rumor has it that one reason was that he was “too collaborative.” Collaborating too much with other groups can be the kiss of death, as you are not seen as a Fully Independent Thinker. Bill, I agree with you completely, but I wonder if you think this is a recent trend to “fill the top spots with paranoid, selfish type-A assholes”? Was it ever different?

]]> http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-46 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:43:52 +0100 http://drshellie.blogsome.com/2006/07/10/personal-hero-denied-tenure/#comment-46 I'm so sorry to hear this. The outreach she chose to do has been, as I understand it, gendered as "women's work," and thus it will be undervalued by many people. Which totally sucks. Part of my dissertation is about women scientists who tried to balance outreach and research in their jobs in natural history museums. I have a sense that more outreach was expected of them than of their male colleagues, and yet at least one of them was penalized for being a more public figure. So frustrating! I’m so sorry to hear this. The outreach she chose to do has been, as I understand it, gendered as “women’s work,” and thus it will be undervalued by many people. Which totally sucks. Part of my dissertation is about women scientists who tried to balance outreach and research in their jobs in natural history museums. I have a sense that more outreach was expected of them than of their male colleagues, and yet at least one of them was penalized for being a more public figure. So frustrating!

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